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		<title>By: wuzzyangel</title>
		<link>http://goldfishcake.com/2008/12/05/being-a-woman/fighting-wrong-messages-with-more-wrong-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-2541</link>
		<dc:creator>wuzzyangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word Up SIS!!!!!  I like to look at sexy ass half nekkid women.. that&#039;s why I watch the VS fashion show!

Why are you in love with my eyebrows?!  Hmmm... I&#039;m in love with your everything!! You know iT!!!!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word Up SIS!!!!!  I like to look at sexy ass half nekkid women.. that&#8217;s why I watch the VS fashion show!</p>
<p>Why are you in love with my eyebrows?!  Hmmm&#8230; I&#8217;m in love with your everything!! You know iT!!!!  <img src='http://goldfishcake.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: alienman</title>
		<link>http://goldfishcake.com/2008/12/05/being-a-woman/fighting-wrong-messages-with-more-wrong-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>alienman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanne: 
Please don&#039;t apologize for &quot;butting in&quot;!  If I am wrong, then I would like to be told so, or how would I learn better? I&#039;m glad you took the time to write and I thank you for it! Please, don&#039;t ever hesitate to speak your mind :) 

It was not my intention to suggest that Victoria&#039;s Secret correctly portrays the average woman, nor that it caters to real women any better. Images used by companies like Victoria&#039;s Secret cater more towards the fantasies of men and a woman&#039;s desire to please them. Of course, this doesn&#039;t mean that all men hold the same fantasies and standards about women, nor does this mean that all women buy from VS to please their men.

However, I stand firm in my argument that the compared lingerie website does no better job of representing &quot;real&quot; women. Nor do I expect any retail brand to do so. 

Average or median, there are many, many, many women who are not plus-sized and I don&#039;t believe that these women are a minority. I don&#039;t relate at all to the thin VS models, nor do I relate at all to those of AboutCurves.

I do agree that plus-sized women need more alternatives in their shopping choices and I do agree that they deserve as much representation as anyone because, as you and the article has pointed out, there is a large population of them.  However, I cannot agree with the assumption that they are more real than those who are thin or in-between.

I do agree that there are lots of unrealistic and harmful standards being condoned by the media, but I feel like the article went a bit too far towards the other extreme in arguing this. It took a retail website, which only happens to target a specific demographic, and heralded it as a step forward in improving societal standards about the body image. 

Whoa, I didn&#039;t mean for this reply to get this long. Sorry ^^;;;

Joanne, please feel free to respond again. This is a matter that you take quite seriously and I would love to hear more from someone like you in regards to this matter. Please don&#039;t feel discouraged from pointing out my errors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanne:<br />
Please don&#8217;t apologize for &#8220;butting in&#8221;!  If I am wrong, then I would like to be told so, or how would I learn better? I&#8217;m glad you took the time to write and I thank you for it! Please, don&#8217;t ever hesitate to speak your mind <img src='http://goldfishcake.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>It was not my intention to suggest that Victoria&#8217;s Secret correctly portrays the average woman, nor that it caters to real women any better. Images used by companies like Victoria&#8217;s Secret cater more towards the fantasies of men and a woman&#8217;s desire to please them. Of course, this doesn&#8217;t mean that all men hold the same fantasies and standards about women, nor does this mean that all women buy from VS to please their men.</p>
<p>However, I stand firm in my argument that the compared lingerie website does no better job of representing &#8220;real&#8221; women. Nor do I expect any retail brand to do so. </p>
<p>Average or median, there are many, many, many women who are not plus-sized and I don&#8217;t believe that these women are a minority. I don&#8217;t relate at all to the thin VS models, nor do I relate at all to those of AboutCurves.</p>
<p>I do agree that plus-sized women need more alternatives in their shopping choices and I do agree that they deserve as much representation as anyone because, as you and the article has pointed out, there is a large population of them.  However, I cannot agree with the assumption that they are more real than those who are thin or in-between.</p>
<p>I do agree that there are lots of unrealistic and harmful standards being condoned by the media, but I feel like the article went a bit too far towards the other extreme in arguing this. It took a retail website, which only happens to target a specific demographic, and heralded it as a step forward in improving societal standards about the body image. </p>
<p>Whoa, I didn&#8217;t mean for this reply to get this long. Sorry ^^;;;</p>
<p>Joanne, please feel free to respond again. This is a matter that you take quite seriously and I would love to hear more from someone like you in regards to this matter. Please don&#8217;t feel discouraged from pointing out my errors!</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://goldfishcake.com/2008/12/05/being-a-woman/fighting-wrong-messages-with-more-wrong-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-2536</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey! I&#039;ve been following your blog for a while without saying anything, but body issues sorta strike close to home for me. I read the article you linked to, but I think I got a slightly different message than you did. 

I mean, I know you didn&#039;t mean for anyone to nitpick at your post, but I had to say something!

&quot;The article keeps interchanging real body types and plus sizes. That competing lingerie website is targeted at plus-sized women and not all real women.&quot;
The lingerie website is targeted to plus-size women, but if the median American woman is close to size 16, I&#039;d say that they&#039;re catering more to real women than Victoria&#039;s Secret.

Also, you say:
&quot;God, I hate it when non-Asians see me and call me `skinny&#039;.&quot;
As a curvy Korean myself, I feel the same way! But I hate it because, in my mind at least, I think &quot;I&#039;M not skinny. You should see &quot;. And I think that&#039;s the end point of the article -- seeing only skinny beautiful people in magazines and runways and lingerie ads makes me feel, at the end of the day, like I&#039;m not skinny or pretty  when, in fact, I&#039;m just me and I should&#039;t . Even though I know what I SHOULD think, I can&#039;t help what I do think.

It might just be something I&#039;m more sensitive to -- sorry for butting in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey! I&#8217;ve been following your blog for a while without saying anything, but body issues sorta strike close to home for me. I read the article you linked to, but I think I got a slightly different message than you did. </p>
<p>I mean, I know you didn&#8217;t mean for anyone to nitpick at your post, but I had to say something!</p>
<p>&#8220;The article keeps interchanging real body types and plus sizes. That competing lingerie website is targeted at plus-sized women and not all real women.&#8221;<br />
The lingerie website is targeted to plus-size women, but if the median American woman is close to size 16, I&#8217;d say that they&#8217;re catering more to real women than Victoria&#8217;s Secret.</p>
<p>Also, you say:<br />
&#8220;God, I hate it when non-Asians see me and call me `skinny&#8217;.&#8221;<br />
As a curvy Korean myself, I feel the same way! But I hate it because, in my mind at least, I think &#8220;I&#8217;M not skinny. You should see &#8220;. And I think that&#8217;s the end point of the article &#8212; seeing only skinny beautiful people in magazines and runways and lingerie ads makes me feel, at the end of the day, like I&#8217;m not skinny or pretty  when, in fact, I&#8217;m just me and I should&#8217;t . Even though I know what I SHOULD think, I can&#8217;t help what I do think.</p>
<p>It might just be something I&#8217;m more sensitive to &#8212; sorry for butting in!</p>
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		<title>By: fuzkittie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzkittie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of women are &quot;not real&quot;?! Being &quot;real&quot; or not doesn&#039;t have anything to do with body type anyway. I agree completely with your response!! Great writing too. Go all women!!! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of women are &#8220;not real&#8221;?! Being &#8220;real&#8221; or not doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with body type anyway. I agree completely with your response!! Great writing too. Go all women!!! <img src='http://goldfishcake.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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